timoth3y5 hours ago
Palantir is clearly a mind-boggling on-the-nose, but terrible name to those familiar with the book.

The Palantiri consistently provided their users technically accurate intelligence that lead to disastrous strategic decisions.

Denethor committed suicide out of despair, after a palantir showed him the black fleet approaching, but he did not know that it was actually Aragorn who had captured the fleet and was coming with reinforcements.

We don't know specifically how the palantir deceived Saruman, but it's pretty clear it was one of the key factors in his corruption and downfall.

And even Sauron himself was misled in this way! The palantir showed him, correctly, that a hobbit and Aragorn were at Helm's Deep, and he concluded that Aragorn had the ring. So he prematurely moved his armies out of Mordor and left the plains and Mt Doom unguarded, which permitted the destruction of the ring.

I honestly can't think of a worse name for a company that provides intel for strategic decision making.

WhatIsDukkha5 hours ago
Saruman was already rotted by lust for the ring when he began to use the Palantir and then came into the presence of a dominating and corrupting will.

So yeah... plenty of real world versions of that.

pdonis1 hour ago
Well, Aragorn used the information he got from the Palantir of Orthanc to make a correct and very important strategic decision, to take the Paths of the Dead so that he could stop the Corsairs in time to save Minas Tirith.

So the lesson is that you have to use the intel you get wisely, or else very bad things will happen. I'm not sure if that makes the name any better for the tool it's applied to, though.

warumdarum4 hours ago
Its cellphones ? They show the rulers accurate predictions of human behaviour after the the fall of the towers proofed that the left only had enbarassing cofabulations to explain behaviour at scale. Thats the most valuable thing you can gain out of social network sensor data.
BLKNSLVR4 hours ago
I've pointed this out before, but there's an interview clip of Alex Karp saying that Trump won the election in a landslide[0].

If you look at the actual numbers, no one, with any idea of mathematics or statistics or even just basic analysis skills, would call Trump's election victory a landslide.

It calls into question the fundamental raisin d'etre of Palantir. It makes Palantir look like a pure propaganda tool.

Therefore, also entirely useless for strategic decision making.

Interesting analysis of Palantir and Alex Karp:

Part 1, Palantir: https://youtu.be/PpEg0XIeFtA

Part 2, Alex Karp: https://youtu.be/6YWFDhOps6I

[0]https://youtu.be/6YWFDhOps6I&t=1119s

holistio3 hours ago
It's _raison_, but "raisin d'être" would make an excellent name for a haute cuisine dessert.
BLKNSLVR50 minutes ago
Thanks, damn.

I usually look up that phrase so I can copy and paste it with the proper accents (and, uh, spelling).

pstuart2 hours ago
Alex Karp's transformation from progressive to MAGA is fascinating; more so knowing that his father was jewish and his mother was black.

I can understand a zeal to "protect the country", but FFS, to be the brains of the secret police is a bit much.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/opinion/alex-karp-palanti...

GolfPopper4 hours ago
>I honestly can't think of a worse name for a company that provides intel for strategic decision making.

Yet the choice is very effective at telling those with eyes to see that the one who chose the name possesses only a surface-level understanding of what appears to be his favorite piece of literature.

themafia3 hours ago
Or he's broadcasting his intention to destroy world governments and institute a new global order under technocratic control. He's banking on a US General not understanding the deeper lore behind of the name.
anonymars1 hour ago
He literally considers Saruman the good guy, Mordor the good place, and Gandalf the bad guy (holding back technological progress)

Discussed previously e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45901389

GolfPopper3 hours ago
In folklore, supernatural monsters are often compelled to show their true selves in non-obvious ways.
teravor4 hours ago
someone will name their company Ashnazg, probably an AI company
LargoLasskhyfv2 hours ago
Already happened. Ashnazg Enterprises LLC https://ashnazg.com

No AI though, just fully stacked...

AndrewKemendo4 hours ago
As though the ego of Peter Thiel has any grounding in reality or ironic metaphor
antonvs4 hours ago
I can think of a worse name: Peter Thiel. Oh wait I'm confused. That's a better name for this.
irsagent3 hours ago
Here are the series of articles that the Swiss investigative magazine, Republik + WAV, published and Palantir looked to silence: https://www.republik.ch/dossier/die-republik-vs-palantir
tremon6 hours ago
> “We welcome that the Zurich Commercial Court confirmed our right to publish a counterstatement”

Well that certainly is one way to spin having 22 of your 23 counterstatement requests dismissed by the court.

saghm6 hours ago
Their right to publish multiple counterstatements is left unsettled by current law
holistio6 hours ago
Anyone who has read The Lord of The Rings has exactly zero reasons to trust Palantir.
emptybits6 hours ago
Indeed. The corporation name is literally (in literature!) an example of all-seeing surveillance tools causing harm when (not if) they fall into evil hands.
gmerc2 hours ago
Well it’s kind of the same with Rand. That’s their thing, they read these books as preteens and the nuance is lost on them
DoktorDelta6 hours ago
Crazy that there's a weapons company called Anduril as well
nickff6 hours ago
Why? Naming a weapons company after Aragorn's sword makes sense. "The Daily Beast" on the other hand is a rather cynical name...
scns6 hours ago
Creative people seem to be rather pacifistic. Warmongers seem less so, they have to "borrow" from the creative ones.
inigyou4 hours ago
I'd call my company Sauron's Eye (we'll figure out what the company does later), but sadly that's trademarked to the LOTR franchise.
goldenarm5 hours ago
Anduril is quite a positive name, it is a broken sword reforged later to save humankind. Quite a metaphor about western reindustrialization.
Barrin924 hours ago
except of course that Tolkien, as a Catholic was quite adamant that he didn't write a story of Western chauvinism. The sword is not a metaphor for industrialization, which is quite literally the villain of the story, it's a symbol for restored kingship and hope.
DaedalusII2 hours ago
tolkien largely copied the nibelungsenlied and accidentally inherited western chauvinism and many other ideas from that lore, including especially a great amount of racism
cmrdporcupine4 hours ago
Right, and his concept of nobility and just kingship was about mercy love justice and a love of nature, good food, merriment, harmony, and treating others with respect. His works are full of cautionary tales of people who reached for immortality, power, self-aggrandizement, and control over others and fell as a result.

(Though he was obsessed with lineage and blood quotients and pale skin)

holistio3 hours ago
It's very difficult to judge the attitudes and held values of people who lived in the past - I mean the parentheses.

We don't know how much of it is real flaw or corruption and how much is just the zeitgeist they lived in.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Musk's capital T today would end up becoming the beginning or turning point of a cautionary tale in the future. And, for better or worse, I know a lot of otherwise great and talented people who are still his fans.

alterom4 hours ago
Crazy? It's backed by Thiel as well IIRC.
za3faran4 hours ago
It's enough to hear what their genocidal maniac of a CEO says.
mentalgear5 hours ago
To all investigative Journalists: Thank you for your hard work, and for being an inspiration and beacon of hope in these dark techno-feudalistic times.
sschueller7 hours ago
cluckindan4 hours ago
Please don’t use these sites, they alter archived content and use visitor browsers as a ddos botnet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

themafia3 hours ago
Then I'd have to ask of publishers please don't use subscription oriented paywalls. I'd be happy to pay for an article here and there. I do not want to understand your subscription model, compare benefits between "tiers" of subscriptions, or think about how to cancel when I eventually realize I'm not getting the value I hoped for.

This is the price of that dark pattern. These sites wouldn't exist if they acted like publishers instead of retailers.

catlikesshrimp6 hours ago
If Cannot resolve archive.ph host

Access the .is domain https://archive.is/lXw7j

internet archive cannot resolve either

buildsjets4 hours ago
Find a better network service provider, you are being censored by yours.
akerl_3 hours ago
What makes you say that?
tremon6 hours ago
archive.ph works fine for me. Resolves to

  168.222.241.49 archive.ph
  2a09:b280:fe00:5a:d197:eab6:9aa0:f22 archive.ph
akerl_6 hours ago
Archive.ph returns different results to Cloudflare’s resolvers intentionally, preventing Cloudflare DNS users from resolving it correctly.
Yokohiii6 hours ago
Wait europe doesn't want to buy spy tech that spies on europe? Shocking.
scottyah5 hours ago
Some people in Europe don't want new sources of data coming in outside of their control.
zzzeek6 hours ago
> Palantir, whose software is widely used by US defence and intelligence agencies, has faced growing scrutiny in parts of Europe as governments reassess their dependence on American technology companies.

I think it's great. Europe and other regions will be building out their own tech stacks, decreasing global dependence on big US players like AWS and Palantir, creating lots more jobs for programmers and much broader ecosystems for doing things.

inigyou4 hours ago
No evidence for this. Europe talks a big game and consistently fails to deliver.
baobabKoodaa5 hours ago
Fine. Thiel will just fund a Hulk Hogan lawsuit against the Swiss magazine, then.
dyauspitr5 hours ago
Get this cancer out of Europe.
mistrial97 hours ago
> officials in Denmark and the Netherlands have similarly expressed a desire to uncouple from the US-based software group

oh that is clever writing

tokai7 hours ago
I wonder which Danish official they are talking about. Lots of voices against it, but not from officials. The danish state is going full steam ahead. Just yesterday the Greenlandic police was integrated with Grotham from Palantir.